

28 year veteran of the bond business likes Liar's Poker
I Would Give My Left Arm to Write Like This

pioneering work1) While the optimal strategy is indeed powerful, it was devised (as Wong explains) to be the best possible response to the best possible pai gow strategies. In other words, the best response to the Wong strategy is to play the Wong Strategy. This is what makes it optimal. However, real casinos do not play the Wong strategy, they play a much simpler strategy known as the house way. (and even this strategy differs from casino to casino) What would be most useful to a reader would be an optimal player strategy to counter the house way. The banker strategy would also need to be refined - once for heads up play against the dealer, and again for play against a full table.
2) To this end, the book would have needed to provide current "house way" policies in Nevada and elsewhere, and updated stats on house edge and bankers edge with the new strategies.
3) I hoped that Wong could have condensed his optimal strategy even further than he does in chapter 4, providing a simple page of rules for the casual player, and then explaining what the house edge is if the player employs the simple condensed strategy.
But these reservations aside, you can't find a better book on pai gow poker. His prose is very readable and straightforward, and you'll surely be impressed by all the research in the book.
Eye-opening and quite detailed, just know how to use it ...It's quite thorough for anyone who wants to play Pai-Gow poker at casino-level stakes. However, due to its thoroughness, it can be confusing to the novice (or the very tired). I recommend skimming the details chapter, then concentrating on "An Approximate Strategy". This arms you with a great strategy to set your hand the best way possible.
The math presented is good as well ... Isn't it interesting to guesstimate that you'll win 50% of the time if you have a pair of jacks and A-8?
For knowledge synthesis, one great part of the book is approximately 20 pages of practice hands. The optimal results are shown, and the number of the sub-chapter to review if you didn't agree with the answer.
Buy it and read for yourself ... Good luck!


"Outcasts" a truly great story.
THE TRUE POKER STORY

Solid Start for Hold 'Em Beginners
In AweI've been playing Hold 'Em for about six months now. When I started playing, I immediately decided I'd like to try casino poker. Considering I don't turn 21 until about a year from now, I thought I'd do the best I can in learning about the game. Besides playing almost every day, I decided to get a couple of Sklansky's books, recommended to me by a professional player. I'm glad I took his advice.
The book presents concepts in a such a clear-cut way. Not to say that the book can be skimmed through and understood easily, for it takes an amount of disciplined study to completely grasp these concepts, but that the book presents these concepts in brutal honesty, revealing both the theories behind the concepts and the results of the practice of these theories.
Sklansky is both a brilliant mathematician and poker player and presents this book from both backgrounds, although he sometimes holds back on expressing himself mathematically.
All in all, I'm amazed by the book. I don't know what more to say.
A Great Start for BeginnersNotwithstanding the fact that this is the first book ever to be written on hold'em, and thus can be expected to be slightly outdated, it is still a book no serious poker player I know is without. I strongly recommend it to be the first text read on the subject for the aspiring hold'em expert.
Just reading it once through will not be enough. You'll find that this book can be studied over and over. Fom Sklansky's famous hand rankings to the concept of the free cards, this text gives the reader something to look forward to. I definitely recommend it.


First Time At A Table
Excellent AdviceMy first experience with internet poker for real money resulted in my losing ($$$)in two different sessions (I made two separate ($$$) deposits last for approximately 20-25 hours playing time at the .50-$1 tables).
Then, after reading Jones' book & following the advice therein - I have now turned ($$$) into ($$$) & am still playing on that. (...) Three months prior I had never even played hold 'em. Hopefully, I'm on my way to establishing a reasonable bankroll & will be "cashing out" not "depositing in" from here on out, but I know I have a ways to go before reaching the higher levels.
Jones explains many of the fundamental hold 'em & poker concepts very well and I really liked the way he organized the sections of the book. I feel I now have a more solid foundation for future learning & a more sensible approach to advance in the game.
I highly recommend this book to all hold em players who have never done anything but just "wing it" before.
Great book for low limit games

"Wittgenstein, put the poker down!"The poker is to the authors as Rosebud was to the newspapermen in CITIZEN KANE. It is the impetus that allows Edmonds and Eidinow to begin their journey through a scattershot look at this portion of philosophy's history. They provide a fairly decent biography of both men, leaving out many unnecessary specifics, but giving enough information for the reader to understand both men's place in the world of philosophy. Along the way we see the similarities apparent in the lives of the two men. Both were Austrian philosophers. Both fled their homelands during the Second World War because of their Jewish heritage. Both men were fierce arguers and were both convinced of their inherent correctness. That said, they were not identical. Wittgenstein's family was one of the richest in the region, while Popper came from a fairly well-to-do family that had fallen on very rough times after the First World War.
In philosophy, they were diametrically opposed. Wittgenstein in his later years declared there were no fundamental philosophical problems, merely puzzles based on linguistics, tricks of language intrinsically bound to how human beings defined certain terms. The so-called problems came not from the real world, but from quirks in definitions. Popper, through his background in the philosophy of science, venomous disagreed. Philosophy progressed as other schools of thought progressed. We affirm or disregard theories, and we learn something about the universe every time that happens.
The authors spend more time detailing the background to the conflict than they do on the argument itself. However, while going through the lives of the two main characters, they oftentimes related some event in the past that would directly influence the argument. As for the way they handle the poker-waving incident itself, they are careful to provide as much information as possible. They reproduce the committee minutes of the encounter, they interview those attendees who are still alive today, and they pore through the records and memoirs written in the months and years after the event. After giving us the facts, they then cut down on those items that would appear to be most at odds with the rest. It's guesswork, they are quick to point out, determining which set of hazy remembrances is the most accurate.
The depth of background that the authors provide colors the way in which we view the eventual argument. Wittgenstein would often be agitated at meetings, and had in the past waved a poker, not to threaten a trembling rival, but to help emphasis positions he was taking. Popper was ruthless when it came to arguments, and would attempt to bury the opposition in a flurry of logic. It's easy to see how these two men might view each other on this afternoon, the point of their first and only meeting. A lot of the ambiguity and confusion seems to come down to the regular oddities in Wittgenstein's own behavior. Was he waving the poker in anger, or from unconscious habit? Did he storm off in disgust and humiliation, or was his hasty departure consistent with his custom of leaving discussions at seemingly random times? The authors don't give us direct answers, but give us more than enough information to make up our own minds.
Perhaps the authors provided us with an over-abundance of details, maybe more than we really needed to know. While the four chapters relating the story of the two men's separate escapes from the clutches of Nazi Germany made for occasionally fascinating reading, I was at a loss to see their relevance. On the other hand, while I'm not sure that I really needed to know that Wittgenstein munched on tomato sandwiches the morning of the poker-wave, those little factoids made this book more enjoyable to read. Hardcore Wittgenstein fans who want to know as much as possible about the actual fight will find the latter sections invaluable, though they might be a bored during the earlier, biographical parts. Anyone looking to further their knowledge of these two philosophers and their confrontation on that fateful October day should pick up this book immediately.
Notes: In addition to the main text, this book also includes some extras: a chronology of major events starting with the birth of Ludwig Wittgenstein on 26 April 1889 through to the death of Karl Popper on 17 September 1994; and an appendix including the series of seven letters from 1998 in the Times Literary Supplement (four of which are between Professor Peter Geach who was present at the conflict, and Professor John Watkins who wrote a memoir of Karl Popper which supported Popper's revisionist view of what had occurred) that initially sparked the interest of the authors.
Philosophy as a Zero-Sum Game"There was a delightful irony in the conflicting testimonies. They had arisen between people all professionally concerned with theories of epistemology..., understanding, and truth. Yet they concerned a sequence of events where those who disagreed were eyewitnesses on crucial questions of fact."(p4)
The authors use this rather well-known (to academic philosophers) but murky incident as a focus for a book that takes us back to the Vienna of the Hapsburgs, where the extremely wealthy Wittgensteins moved in the highest echelons of culture and social life, and the more modest Poppers also enjoyed the wide and deep intellectual life of this city of coffeehouses and tolerance. Later (but before the storm) there was the Vienna Circle, which courted Wittgenstein and excluded Popper. (Or did he exclude himself?)
This is a book about two great men who were both Viennese, intense, egotistical, brilliant, and contentious to a degree rarely seen. To each, every discussion bearing on philosophy became a contest that each had to win, and almost invariably did. Ironically, they never met until that night in 1946, in Cambridge, England, of all places. So it is also a book about philosophy in the 20th century that brings in G.E. Moore and Bertrand Russell (who was there that night), Moritz Schlick (the founder of the Vienna Circle), Rudolph Carnap, Stephen Toulmin, and a host of smaller fry.
The writing is fast-paced, as befits two journalists, and the philosophy is mostly honored in the breach, as befits a popular history. Yet we get a good feel for the issues in play on that night in Cambridge. Those of you who have struggled with Wittgenstein will find nothing here to change your view of him as a charismatic genius (but possibly totally wrong!), but the less-well-known Popper emerges as a driven man that had to win on this most esoteric of playing fields. What impressed me most about this tale was that for these men philosophy was not redemptive or illuminating. They seemed not "philosophical" in the old Socratic sense, but possessed by skewed needs that this strange cloistered university atmosphere salved, because they could show their strange skills to advantage here. Anyway, this is a delightful look at an intellectual milieu that is mostly gone, but was wonderful and strange while it lasted.
Philosophy LiteWhen an abstruse issue in science captures the public imagination it is often considered a good idea to make it more accessible by writing about the personalities involved. This 'humanizes' the issue, in other words replaces actual scientific knowledge (which is technical and hard to understand)with gossip. "Wittgenstein's Poker" takes this approach to philosophy. It is about a debate between two of the greatest philosophers of the twentieth century (Wittgenstein and Popper)on the subject of whether philosophers deal with problems or merely puzzles. The authors do not take sides explicitly, but whenever they refer to a philosophical issue or idea they state it very briefly and give no indication at all as to why anyone should care about such an apparently trivial matter or bother with such banal or (seemingly) obviously false ideas. Philosophy, we are led to believe, is a complete waste of time. And philosophers are losers. Wittgenstein is presented as a callous weirdo, Popper as a resentful egomaniac. The entire philosophy faculty of Cambridge University in 1946 is also written off. If ever anyone had an unkind word to say about these men then it is quoted here, with little or nothing to offset it by way of praise or even neutral description. You can see why the book is fun to read. But it's a little odd in a book aimed presumably at those with an interest in philosphy. Or perhaps it's not so odd. Maybe pseudo-intellectuals want nothing more than an invitation to sneer at the real intelligentsia. That's what I had been going to write.
But then I came to the chapter that actually explains some of the issues (induction, probability, etc.) that concerned Popper and Bertrand Russell, and what they thought about them. This was interesting and well done. There is some real meat here for those unfamiliar with philosophy, albeit a cutlet rather than a roast. You won't learn much about Wittgenstein, though, except about his life and personality. Why anyone should care exactly what happened with the poker is beyond me, but this is a fun book and might even be an effective introduction to philosophy for some people.


An entertaining overview of the world of pokerPOKER NATION attempts, but ultimately fails, to bring out the excitement of playing the game.
Andy Bellin gives us a detailed tour of the world of poker. He takes us through his own experiences at the table, the world of the big-time and the small-time poker professionaly, a brief overview of poker strategy, running both legal and illegal card clubs, and interesting studies of the shady characters always looking for an edge.
Andy's brisk, simple, and descriptive writing paints the picture of a likable, somewhat shady, guide to the most American of games. The book kept me entertained during the two nights I read it.
Unfortunately, the details of life in the Poker Nation don't live up to the romance, and I left the book feeling sorry for its citizens. Once you start playing the game 40+ hours a week, it becomes just a job.
And who wants to read about the details of anyone's job?
Dav's Rating System:
5 stars - Loved it, and kept it on my bookshelf.
4 stars - Liked it, and gave it to a friend.
3 stars - OK, finished it and gave it to the library.
2 stars - Not good, finished it, but felt guilty and/or cheated by it.
1 star - I want my hour back! Didn't finish the book.
A great book, not just a great poker book
Smart, compelling, extraordinarily readable poker trip

A Solid Introduction
A great intro to winning poker.
I never leave the house without reading this book

good info, but not good teachingI have two main criticisms (aside from the fact that it barely mentions draw poker at all): First, a complete and easy to find glossary is a must in a book for beginners, and the one in this book is neither (you'll need it for chapter 2, where you are unexectedly thrown into the deep end of the jargon pool). Second, the examples were few and somewhat hard for me to follow. I need to be led by the hand for a few games, so I can apply that slowly but thoroughly acquired knowledge at my own pace. I don't feel that "Poker For Dummies" offers me that opportunity.
A very useful thing I did get from this book was their recommendation of wilsonsw.com, whose software (with free demos) allows you to participate in thousands of hands of certain variants of the game in a pretty realistic manner...not tutorial exactly, but very helpful.
Poker Books, the next best thing to being there . . .Unfortunately we've also given the world "How To" books. And their most recent obnoxious incarnations, the "Zen in the Art of---" and the "---For Dummies" series.
However this one's not bad at all. I wish some of the reviewers who disliked it could name a better beginner's book--though I concede that if you play for money against some pros following the instructions given you might conclude you should have bought "Poker for Morons" instead.
(Do not despair. The real morons are playing Baccarat following amazing systems that enable them to count to 9 )
If, after reading Lou, you decide to keep on and take the plunge might I also suggest Lee Jones 'Winning Low Limit Hold 'Em '--a book which gives strict advice on the most popular form of Poker nowdays and which cannot possibly work because everyone has read it and feels obliged to deviate from it because they know everyone else has read it too, consequently, it does work. (did you folow that?)
Also consider buying Slansky's 'The Theory of Poker' regarded as 'The Bible' especially if you're a math-geek who can already discourse on the difference between probability and odds.
Otherwise just consider it but don't buy it. Carson's 'The Complete Book of Hold 'Em Poker' should also keep you busy for a few months, as well as anything written by Ciaffone, and by then you should be ready to enter the World Series of Poker.
Well, soon enough, anyway.
Seriously, if you can break even after playing cardroom poker in your first year, you're doing great. (If you can get a bunch of rich dolts to come over to your place on Friday nights and play Anaconda or a sillier variation you're doing even better but don't count on it.)
Lou's book is a good overview and he does list up to date internet groups which provide links to discussions and articles which will keep you addicted forever.
Just remember that over the long run, it's all about skill, not hunches. Besides, it's bad luck to be superstitious.
Great book for beginners

This is a good book (I'm bluffing)Perhaps McManus or his editor or publisher lost their nerve in regards to publishing a book JUST about his experiences in The World Series of Poker. Perhaps that was never their intention. HOWEVER, that's the only interesting stuff in the book. The stuff about the death of Binion is, for the most part, [annoying]. Particularly annoying is the clunky manner in which it is bolted on. And it's nowhere near as enchanting as the thought of a writer for Harper's going to Vegas, exchanging his expense money for chips, and then somehow making it all the way to fifth place. Plus, there is some really interesting information about professional poker players.
I thought this book had a lot of potential. A real bummer to not exercise more restraint, and focus on one story.
Great story, not great writing
A fascinating peek at the world of PokerThe world and rules of poker are a bit confusing to me. Then again I certainly did not inheirit the family gambling gene. I was still able to follow McManus's explanations of the game and the hands dealt.
The contrast between McManus's life in the casino during the World Series and his regular life with wife Jennifer is conveyed in their phone calls to each other. McManus is buzzing with excitement and the sheer amount of money being betted with each hand while Jennifer cares for their two small daughters.
But through out the hands dealt and the quirky players, the accused murders of Ted Binion get their day in court. The story of the casino heir with everything and the stripper is an interesting one.
To anyone who has played a hand of poker, visited Las Vegas or is a true crime fan, "Positively Fifth Street" is a fascinating look into another world.